Debt	
  Advice	
  -­‐	
  panacea	
  or	
  s2cking	
  
plaster	
  -­‐	
  does	
  it	
  work	
  in	
  prac2ce?	
  
Presenters: Lee Usher, Debt Advice Manager, UKAR
Chilli Reid, Head of Development & Policy, Advice UK
Facilitator: Nick Bussey, Director of Business Development, Clearstart
Scribe: Keith Osbourne, Counsellor, Health & Wellbeing,
Metropolitan Police and representing MALG’s South East
Discussion Forum
Different viewpoints
Customer
Creditor
Debt Advice
Provider
• Debt Free?
• In control of finances? Light at the end of the tunnel?
• Better sense of emotional wellbeing?
• Meet regulatory requirements?
• Improve customer engagement levels?
• Improve repayment performance?
• Good PR?
• Income stream?
• Providing essential public service?
• Both of the above?
What is the evidence?
UKAR	
  engaged	
  
5%	
  of	
  1+	
  MIA	
  
book	
  with	
  
advice	
  2014	
  
Over	
  90%	
  
DMPs	
  
maintain	
  /	
  No	
  
impact	
  
secured	
  
performance	
  
98%	
  UKAR	
  
customers	
  
sa2sfied	
  with	
  
advice	
  
provided	
  
MAS	
  report	
  
only	
  17%	
  
over-­‐indebted	
  
engage	
  with	
  
debt	
  advice	
  
MAS	
  report	
  
76%	
  reduce	
  
debts	
  and	
  71%	
  
feel	
  less	
  
stressed	
  	
  
MAS	
  report	
  
debt	
  advice	
  
works	
  for	
  9	
  
out	
  of	
  10	
  over-­‐
indebted	
  
What are the considerations?
Assessing	
  
circumstance
s	
  
Reduc2on	
  in	
  
debt	
  levels	
  
Customer	
  
sa2sfac2on	
  
Delivery	
  
channels	
  
Customer	
  
engagement	
  
Consistency	
  
in	
  delivering	
  
outcomes	
  
Funding	
  
models	
  
Creditor	
  and	
  
advisor	
  
engagement	
  
levels	
  
Does debt advice work?
Unpicking the question
S2cking	
  Plaster	
  
A	
  temporary	
  or	
  inadequate	
  solu2on	
  to	
  a	
  	
  	
  
serious	
  problem	
  
	
  
Panacea	
  
Something	
  that	
  will	
  solve	
  all	
  problems	
  
	
  
	
  
The common factor
Debtors
Money
Advice Trust
Insolvency
Practitioners
Money Advice
Service Solicitors
Debt Recovery
Companies
Fee-
Chargers
Free Advice
Sector
Bailiffs /
Enforcement
Officers
Priority Debt
Recovery /
Enforcement
Financial Conduct
Authority
Payplan
HMCTS
Creditors
Tip of the iceberg?
Systems	
  work	
  in	
  NoUngham,	
  Portsmouth	
  and	
  
Cardiff.	
  
	
  
Presen2ng	
  demand	
  and	
  underlying	
  causes	
  
	
  
A	
  Whole	
  Person	
  Approach	
  
	
  
	
  
Debt or glory?
Individual	
  Vol.	
  Arrangement 	
  5	
  years	
  
	
  
DRO/Bankruptcy 	
   	
   	
  1	
  year	
  
	
  
Debt	
  Management	
  plans 	
   	
  5-­‐6+	
  years	
  
	
  
Informal	
  arrangements 	
   	
  ?????	
  
The debt industrial complex
Keeping	
  up	
  supply-­‐new	
  and	
  recurring?	
  
	
  
Breaking	
  the	
  cycle-­‐In	
  whose	
  interest?	
  
	
  
A	
  non	
  neutral	
  world-­‐debt	
  advice	
  is	
  not	
  alone	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
Does debt advice work?
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
Questions
1.  Should	
  debt	
  advice	
  aim	
  to	
  be	
  a	
  panacea?	
  
2.  If	
  so,	
  who	
  is	
  responsible	
  for	
  achieving	
  it?	
  
3.  If	
  the	
  answer	
  to	
  1	
  is	
  no,	
  what	
  is	
  debt	
  advice	
  
for?	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  

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#MALG14 Workshop B - Debt Advice - Slideset

  • 1. Debt  Advice  -­‐  panacea  or  s2cking   plaster  -­‐  does  it  work  in  prac2ce?   Presenters: Lee Usher, Debt Advice Manager, UKAR Chilli Reid, Head of Development & Policy, Advice UK Facilitator: Nick Bussey, Director of Business Development, Clearstart Scribe: Keith Osbourne, Counsellor, Health & Wellbeing, Metropolitan Police and representing MALG’s South East Discussion Forum
  • 2. Different viewpoints Customer Creditor Debt Advice Provider • Debt Free? • In control of finances? Light at the end of the tunnel? • Better sense of emotional wellbeing? • Meet regulatory requirements? • Improve customer engagement levels? • Improve repayment performance? • Good PR? • Income stream? • Providing essential public service? • Both of the above?
  • 3. What is the evidence? UKAR  engaged   5%  of  1+  MIA   book  with   advice  2014   Over  90%   DMPs   maintain  /  No   impact   secured   performance   98%  UKAR   customers   sa2sfied  with   advice   provided   MAS  report   only  17%   over-­‐indebted   engage  with   debt  advice   MAS  report   76%  reduce   debts  and  71%   feel  less   stressed     MAS  report   debt  advice   works  for  9   out  of  10  over-­‐ indebted  
  • 4. What are the considerations? Assessing   circumstance s   Reduc2on  in   debt  levels   Customer   sa2sfac2on   Delivery   channels   Customer   engagement   Consistency   in  delivering   outcomes   Funding   models   Creditor  and   advisor   engagement   levels  
  • 6. Unpicking the question S2cking  Plaster   A  temporary  or  inadequate  solu2on  to  a       serious  problem     Panacea   Something  that  will  solve  all  problems      
  • 7. The common factor Debtors Money Advice Trust Insolvency Practitioners Money Advice Service Solicitors Debt Recovery Companies Fee- Chargers Free Advice Sector Bailiffs / Enforcement Officers Priority Debt Recovery / Enforcement Financial Conduct Authority Payplan HMCTS Creditors
  • 8. Tip of the iceberg? Systems  work  in  NoUngham,  Portsmouth  and   Cardiff.     Presen2ng  demand  and  underlying  causes     A  Whole  Person  Approach      
  • 9. Debt or glory? Individual  Vol.  Arrangement  5  years     DRO/Bankruptcy      1  year     Debt  Management  plans    5-­‐6+  years     Informal  arrangements    ?????  
  • 10. The debt industrial complex Keeping  up  supply-­‐new  and  recurring?     Breaking  the  cycle-­‐In  whose  interest?     A  non  neutral  world-­‐debt  advice  is  not  alone          
  • 11. Does debt advice work?        
  • 12. Questions 1.  Should  debt  advice  aim  to  be  a  panacea?   2.  If  so,  who  is  responsible  for  achieving  it?   3.  If  the  answer  to  1  is  no,  what  is  debt  advice   for?