MARKETPLACE INSIGHTS ON PRICING AND FEEDBACK
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 2
Hello, My Name is Josh
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 3
Lessons from Three $B+ GMV Marketplaces
acrowdedspace.com
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 3
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 4Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 4
On Feedback
Observation
Solution
5 StarFeedback Systems areBad
Grade Inflation
Lots ofUnused Signals
Meet ArpadElo
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 5Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 5
Virtuous Cycles
People spend lots of time here
Butit’sineffective
Attract OptimizeScreen
People don’t spend much time here
Butit’svery effective
Retain
Expel
Quality is never static (will increase or decrease)
Don’t waste too much time screening; Invest in O.R.E
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 6Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 6
Grade Inflation
Observation
Solution
Don’t bea Jerk
Relativevs Absolute
Lots ofUnused Signals
Meet ArpadElo
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 7Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 7
Feedback and False
Signals
0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100%
Yelp
oDesk
Amazon (Books)
Amazon (Toys) 5
4
3
2
1
5 star systems do not provide granularity
Ask for private feedback, 3 point scales, and use behavioral data
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 8Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 8
Real World vs 5 Stars
5 star systems do not reflect reality
Consider a different approach
RealWorld 5 StarDistribution
1 2 3 4 5
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 9Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 9
Feedback for Bad
5 stars can separate the bad sellers
But do very little to identify the best
5 stars separatebad. 5 StarDistribution
1 2 3 4 5
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 10Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 10
Feedback for Good
Arpad Elo developed a system for scoring 2-person competitions
It results in a more real world distribution
ELO Ratingsseparate
good.
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 11Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 11
Relative vs Absolute
Humans are bad at assessing absolute value
But we’re extremely good at assessing relative value
How good isthis football
team?
Which one of these teams is
better?
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 12Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 12
Finding Signals
You won’t be able to separate the good by user feedback alone
Need to use behavior and marketplace actions
If I choose Jeannie, she should move upand
Romany andJamieshould move down.
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 13Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 13
Signals of Progression
Look for meaningful signals
User feedback is often too subjective
Rapidcareeror rateprogressionis a great
indicator ofquality!
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 14Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 14
Signals of Repeat Usage
Actions speak louder than words
Ask your doctor what she would do rather than what she recommends
Repeat purchase rateor durationis a
strong indicator!
“The psychologist Gerd Gigerenzer has a simple heuristic.
Never ask the doctor what you should do. Ask him what
he would do if he were in your place. You would be
surprised at the difference”
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Antifragile: Things That
Gain from Disorder
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 15Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 15
User Authority
Some users feedback is more valuable than others
But we treat it all the same
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 16Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 16
Feedback Incentive
Users have little incentive to rate accurately
Unless you tie it back to the user experience
Rate this provider:
Do youwant to workwiththis
provideragain?
Yes No
Helps themarketplace
Helps thebuyer
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 17Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 17
Feedback Conclusion
Takeaways:
• Bewarefalsesignals
• Look forbehavioral signals
• Ditch the 5 stars
• Develop your normal curve
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 18Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 18
On Pricing
Goal of everymarketplaceshould betoincreaseefficiency inthe
world.
Fees extracted<< efficiencygained.
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 19Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 19
Pricing
Three primary models for marketplaces
Each has their own pros and cons
Freemium SaaS Ads / Lead Gen Transactional
• OftenB2B
• Workswell whenyouhave
mixedusage (casualvs
professional)
• Worksif accessisessential to
business
• OftenB2C
• Workswell if big imbalance
in supply/ demand
• But,isfatallyflawedw/
misalignedincentives
• Generally worksthe bestand
hasthe mostaligned
incentives
• Butcan’talwaysdoit
becauseofdisintermediation
orvery high prices
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 20Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 20
Match Types
Upwork,Craigslist
Airbnb,Zillow
Uber,Rev
SupplierPicks
Commodity
Increasing
Fill Ratio
AND Rake
Buyer
Buyer
Buyer
Supplier
Supplier
Supplier
Buyer Picks
Variety
Double Commit
Complex, custom stuff
Marketplaces evolve to increasing fill ratio
Supplier picks is easiest way to approach 100%
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 21Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 21
Frequency of Purchase
Size of
Transaction
Plumbing
Vertical
(HighFrequency)
Vertical
(HighPrice)
Horizontal
Locksmith
Sporting
Goods
Furniture
Flights
Hotels
Taxi
Meals
Homes
Cars
Clothing
Horizontal
B2B
Horizontal vs.
Vertical
Verticalize (buyer picks for high price) / (supplier picks for high frequency)
Or group categories in horizontal; Or build a B2B platform
Supplier Picks
High Transaction
Rake
B2B
FreemiumSaaS
BuyerPicks
Lead Genor Low
Rake
Double Commit
Low Rake
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 22Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 22
50%
0%
20%
High Rakes --Managed marketplace, monopoly
(iOS), opacity
Tiny – Long term, regularwork,users meet in person,
paymentoff-platform
Med – Quality control, insurance,compliance, scheduling
and availability
Low – Transparentfees, buyerbeware, high price goods /
services
Rake Factors
High rake not necessarily better, just different
More marketplace management – more rake
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 23Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 23
Disintermediation and
Dynamic Pricing
Time
Perceived Value
Total
PerceivedValue
FlatFee
Disintermediationhappens
here
Users seek the best financial outcome
Either increase value or decrease fee over time
SteppedDiscounts
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 24Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 24
Payment Timing
Paying sellers fast is consistently the best thing for seller happiness
Pay fast. Pay reliably. Assume some risk and guarantee payment.
Pay Fast
High NPS.
High Loyalty.
High Retention.
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 25Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 25
Optics in Pricing
People often ask the question, “who do you charge?”
While it’s a stupid question, it does matter
Buyer Seller
Pays $100 Receives
$80
Rakes
$20
Who paidthe fee?
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 26Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 26
Optics in Pricing
These are all equivalent
But create different levels of happiness
Buyer Seller
Pays$100 Receives$80Rake$20
Invoice
Services $80
MarketplaceFee $20
Earnings
Services $80
Invoice
Services $100
Earnings
Services $80
MarketplaceFee $20
Invoice
Services $90
Access Fee $10
Earnings
Services $80
MarketplaceFee $10
Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 27Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 27
Pricing Conclusion
Takeaways:
• Pay people fast
• Choose the rightmatchtype andmodel
• Consider more dynamic pricing
• Optics matter
Josh Breinlinger
josh@jsv.com
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Marketplace pricing and feedback

  • 1. MARKETPLACE INSIGHTS ON PRICING AND FEEDBACK
  • 2. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 2 Hello, My Name is Josh
  • 3. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 3 Lessons from Three $B+ GMV Marketplaces acrowdedspace.com Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 3
  • 4. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 4Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 4 On Feedback Observation Solution 5 StarFeedback Systems areBad Grade Inflation Lots ofUnused Signals Meet ArpadElo
  • 5. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 5Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 5 Virtuous Cycles People spend lots of time here Butit’sineffective Attract OptimizeScreen People don’t spend much time here Butit’svery effective Retain Expel Quality is never static (will increase or decrease) Don’t waste too much time screening; Invest in O.R.E
  • 6. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 6Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 6 Grade Inflation Observation Solution Don’t bea Jerk Relativevs Absolute Lots ofUnused Signals Meet ArpadElo
  • 7. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 7Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 7 Feedback and False Signals 0% 20% 40% 60% 80% 100% Yelp oDesk Amazon (Books) Amazon (Toys) 5 4 3 2 1 5 star systems do not provide granularity Ask for private feedback, 3 point scales, and use behavioral data
  • 8. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 8Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 8 Real World vs 5 Stars 5 star systems do not reflect reality Consider a different approach RealWorld 5 StarDistribution 1 2 3 4 5
  • 9. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 9Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 9 Feedback for Bad 5 stars can separate the bad sellers But do very little to identify the best 5 stars separatebad. 5 StarDistribution 1 2 3 4 5
  • 10. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 10Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 10 Feedback for Good Arpad Elo developed a system for scoring 2-person competitions It results in a more real world distribution ELO Ratingsseparate good.
  • 11. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 11Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 11 Relative vs Absolute Humans are bad at assessing absolute value But we’re extremely good at assessing relative value How good isthis football team? Which one of these teams is better?
  • 12. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 12Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 12 Finding Signals You won’t be able to separate the good by user feedback alone Need to use behavior and marketplace actions If I choose Jeannie, she should move upand Romany andJamieshould move down.
  • 13. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 13Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 13 Signals of Progression Look for meaningful signals User feedback is often too subjective Rapidcareeror rateprogressionis a great indicator ofquality!
  • 14. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 14Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 14 Signals of Repeat Usage Actions speak louder than words Ask your doctor what she would do rather than what she recommends Repeat purchase rateor durationis a strong indicator! “The psychologist Gerd Gigerenzer has a simple heuristic. Never ask the doctor what you should do. Ask him what he would do if he were in your place. You would be surprised at the difference” ― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder
  • 15. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 15Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 15 User Authority Some users feedback is more valuable than others But we treat it all the same
  • 16. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 16Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 16 Feedback Incentive Users have little incentive to rate accurately Unless you tie it back to the user experience Rate this provider: Do youwant to workwiththis provideragain? Yes No Helps themarketplace Helps thebuyer
  • 17. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 17Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 17 Feedback Conclusion Takeaways: • Bewarefalsesignals • Look forbehavioral signals • Ditch the 5 stars • Develop your normal curve
  • 18. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 18Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 18 On Pricing Goal of everymarketplaceshould betoincreaseefficiency inthe world. Fees extracted<< efficiencygained.
  • 19. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 19Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 19 Pricing Three primary models for marketplaces Each has their own pros and cons Freemium SaaS Ads / Lead Gen Transactional • OftenB2B • Workswell whenyouhave mixedusage (casualvs professional) • Worksif accessisessential to business • OftenB2C • Workswell if big imbalance in supply/ demand • But,isfatallyflawedw/ misalignedincentives • Generally worksthe bestand hasthe mostaligned incentives • Butcan’talwaysdoit becauseofdisintermediation orvery high prices
  • 20. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 20Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 20 Match Types Upwork,Craigslist Airbnb,Zillow Uber,Rev SupplierPicks Commodity Increasing Fill Ratio AND Rake Buyer Buyer Buyer Supplier Supplier Supplier Buyer Picks Variety Double Commit Complex, custom stuff Marketplaces evolve to increasing fill ratio Supplier picks is easiest way to approach 100%
  • 21. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 21Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 21 Frequency of Purchase Size of Transaction Plumbing Vertical (HighFrequency) Vertical (HighPrice) Horizontal Locksmith Sporting Goods Furniture Flights Hotels Taxi Meals Homes Cars Clothing Horizontal B2B Horizontal vs. Vertical Verticalize (buyer picks for high price) / (supplier picks for high frequency) Or group categories in horizontal; Or build a B2B platform Supplier Picks High Transaction Rake B2B FreemiumSaaS BuyerPicks Lead Genor Low Rake Double Commit Low Rake
  • 22. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 22Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 22 50% 0% 20% High Rakes --Managed marketplace, monopoly (iOS), opacity Tiny – Long term, regularwork,users meet in person, paymentoff-platform Med – Quality control, insurance,compliance, scheduling and availability Low – Transparentfees, buyerbeware, high price goods / services Rake Factors High rake not necessarily better, just different More marketplace management – more rake
  • 23. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 23Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 23 Disintermediation and Dynamic Pricing Time Perceived Value Total PerceivedValue FlatFee Disintermediationhappens here Users seek the best financial outcome Either increase value or decrease fee over time SteppedDiscounts
  • 24. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 24Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 24 Payment Timing Paying sellers fast is consistently the best thing for seller happiness Pay fast. Pay reliably. Assume some risk and guarantee payment. Pay Fast High NPS. High Loyalty. High Retention.
  • 25. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 25Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 25 Optics in Pricing People often ask the question, “who do you charge?” While it’s a stupid question, it does matter Buyer Seller Pays $100 Receives $80 Rakes $20 Who paidthe fee?
  • 26. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 26Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 26 Optics in Pricing These are all equivalent But create different levels of happiness Buyer Seller Pays$100 Receives$80Rake$20 Invoice Services $80 MarketplaceFee $20 Earnings Services $80 Invoice Services $100 Earnings Services $80 MarketplaceFee $20 Invoice Services $90 Access Fee $10 Earnings Services $80 MarketplaceFee $10
  • 27. Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 27Jackson Square Ventures | Confidential | 27 Pricing Conclusion Takeaways: • Pay people fast • Choose the rightmatchtype andmodel • Consider more dynamic pricing • Optics matter

Editor's Notes

  • #2: Option 1
  • #5: Grade inflation Causes mismatching distribution curves Causes an inability to find high quality Means we need to use unused signals
  • #7: Grade inflation Causes mismatching distribution curves Causes an inability to find high quality Means we need to use unused signals
  • #29: Option 2