This document discusses methods for estimating the score vector and observed information matrix for intractable models. It begins with an overview of using derivatives in sampling algorithms. It then discusses iterated filtering, a method for estimating derivatives in hidden Markov models when the likelihood is not available in closed form. Iterated filtering introduces a perturbed model and relates the posterior mean to the score and posterior variance to the observed information matrix. The document outlines proofs that show this relationship as the prior concentration increases.