Nguyen Vu Hung: A Case Study on Vietnamese Localization for LibreOffice - Liboffice Conference 2015 @ Aarhus
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The document is a presentation from the 2015 LibreOffice conference focused on the Vietnamese localization of LibreOffice, detailing the project's history, progress, and community engagement efforts. It discusses challenges such as translation standardization, dialect differences, and strategies for improving translation quality, while highlighting the adoption of LibreOffice among Vietnamese users. Additionally, it emphasizes the need for ongoing marketing efforts and collaboration within the community to maintain translation momentum.
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LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation
Spelling, Grammars & More
No clear national standards
Being used in different ways
Things to get consensus
Encodings (UTF8, VNI, Telex)
Numbers and Units (12,7 vs 12.7, 34,000 vs 34,000)
Date/Time (Th9 24 11:55) [ISO 8601]. Maintained by Debian
Hyphenation & its positions
Capitalization (Vi tế Hoa vs. Vi tế hoa)
“i” & “y”
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Nguyen Vu Hung: A Case Study on Vietnamese Localization for LibreOffice - Liboffice Conference 2015 @ Aarhus
- 1. 1 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation A Case Study on Vietnamese Localization for LibreOffice The past, current status and and how did we engage the community Nguyen Vu Hung, Vietnam l10n Team 2015/11/25 @Aarhus, Denmark 2015
- 2. 2 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Agenda Some milestones of Vietnamese LibreOffice team What we have done What are our issues and interesting topics What we plan to do next Q&A
- 3. 3 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation About Nguyen Vu Hung Chief Learning Officer, Hanoi, Vietnam Open Source Evangelist Open Source Translation LibreOffice, OpenOffice.org, Firefox, KDE, Gnome, Ubuntu Software/System/Solution Architect Certified Scrum Professional
- 4. 4 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation History of Vietnamese LibreOffice (and OOo Era) 2002: OpenOffice.org vi 2010-: OpenOffice.org vi, up to 3.0 2010+: LibreOffice vi
- 5. 5 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Vietnamese Translation Teams The MOST Project The goal is to localized an FOSS OS Ubuntu, Gnome, Firefox, OOo/LibreOffice Quite active in the past New word standardization Community support on translation http://lists.hanoilug.org/pipermail/du-an-most/
- 6. 6 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation The Project MOST Mailing List Rules & Guidelines Wiki. LibreOffice is a part of MOST Mailing List Archive. To search.
- 7. 7 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Migrating from OpenOffice.org to LibreOffice All translators agreed to switch to LibreOffice when Oracle took over Sun Most translators join MOST project All agreed to switch from OOo to LibreOffice And we started Vietnamese OOo translation: Not active as of now OOo users switches to LibreOffice
- 8. 8 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation First Thing First: Get Website Up and Running
- 9. 9 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation DETAIL TOPICS (in random order)
- 10. 10 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Decision Making Process Base on discussion and agreement Respect each other No “rule”/”guidelines” for decision making, which is a good thing
- 11. 11 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation To Translate or Not to Translate? To translate or not? English or Vietnamese? Most (educated) Vietnamese prefers English Most Vietnamese can't use English well Some important points 97% pirated software (need citation) BSA impact: People leaves for FOSS M$ Office Popular, widely used Only English UI (no Vietnamese)
- 12. 12 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation South and North Dialects South and North dialects To “see”: Xem, nhìn, coi A file: “t p”, “t p tin”, “file”ệ ậ
- 13. 13 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation New Words Translation Let's discuss together To translate (LibreOffice) “Extensions” Many ways to translate Eventually, we have to fix one We we a goal And a deadline How to translate “bisection” and “bibisection” Better to leave it as is?
- 14. 14 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Dealing with Words that Hard to Translate Basically, discuss Suggest feature in pootle: Rarely use Mailing list is the place we gather To translate “gallery” Many choice Discuss Finally we picked “Phòng tr ng bày”ư
- 15. 15 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation It is Safe to Leave Some Word as-is In some cases, we can't translate or, we shouldn't translate In such cases Leave it as is And don't forget to discuss Examples “plugins” It is Ok to leave “file” untranslated
- 16. 16 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation English, Chinese-Vietnamese or Vietnamese? How to translate “plugin” (OOo era) English: Use “plugin” as-is Some Vietnamese hates English and Vietnamese mixed Chinese-Vietnamese Looks more formal The translate is: ??? Vietnamese More friendly but it gives the feeling “wtf?” when see for the first time. Less formal Translation: “B c m”ộ ắ
- 17. 17 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Standardization on Translation How do we translate the word “file” It varies from North to South 3 ways to translate the word How do we translate the word “plug-in” It is a new word that has never translated before How to translate the words “add-on”, “plug-in”, “extension” in the same sentence/context?
- 18. 18 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation The Translation Review Process Experts help newbies Immature and ad-hoc review process Utilize pootle for translation review Discuss on mailing list for getting consensus
- 19. 19 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Testing the Translation The fact: We cannot/don't test the translation right after the translation What do we is to WAIT until the beta/alpha versions come out How we do Look for untranslated messages from corners to corners Find improper words in UI, grep them in pootle and fix
- 20. 20 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Translation Progress (Sept. 2015) Translation Progress 4.3 Help: 84%, UI: 73% 4.4 Help: 83%, UI: 67% 5.0 Help: 82%, UI: 69%
- 21. 21 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Translation Quality Not so bad, but Translation bugs exist Not done 100% Words in menu translated Words in often seen sentences translated Error/Warnings that we can catch: Translated
- 22. 22 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation So, Who Uses Vietnamese LibreOffice? Open source lovers use LibreOffice Government officers do Do they use English or Vietnamese versions? It depends Low level of English knowledge
- 23. 23 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation LibreOffice Communities Vietnamese LibreOffice Users Group on Facebook Few hundres members Vietlug and other local Linux Users Group VietLug, Ubuntu-VN HueLug, SaigonLug, *Lugs Vfossa: Vietnam Free and Open Source Association * Universities Lug/groups Elsewhere? FOSS lovers Hacker wannabes
- 24. 24 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Adoption of (Vietnamese) LibreOffice Government Sections Cost/budget Security concerns Migrating to Ubuntu + LibreOffice Web based apps make it easier fro migrating Individual FOSS enthusiasm M$ Office haters Companies Impacted by BSA enforcement Cost/budget
- 25. 25 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Promotion & Marketing Facebook is the main channel for marketing 20+ mil FB active users / 90 mil population Focus on IT groups on FB Open sources related groups “Like”, “Share”, “Invite”: Quick and effective News translation and publish News media Offline and online events Software Freedom Day Local meetups
- 26. 26 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Alternatives to LibreOffice Very few is using LibreOffice MS Office is the major choice Pirated software: 97+% (need citation) Impacts from BSA enforcements Google Docs OpenOffice.org (only few)
- 27. 27 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Impacts of Government's Decisions on LibreOffice Law enforcements by MIC FOSS in education section is encouraged Budget cutting pressure Security concerns (FOSS is more secure) FOSS is innovation
- 28. 28 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Translation Team 4-5 people 1-2 active (but not so active) Other members in MOST always willing to help
- 29. 29 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation WIP: DoD (Work in Progress): (Definition of Done) A good DoD reduces conflicts and save time of dicussion This is a Proposal for DoD All menu translated All tooltips translated All context menu in main windows translated
- 30. 30 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Spelling, Grammars & More No clear national standards Being used in different ways Things to get consensus Encodings (UTF8, VNI, Telex) Numbers and Units (12,7 vs 12.7, 34,000 vs 34,000) Date/Time (Th9 24 11:55) [ISO 8601]. Maintained by Debian Hyphenation & its positions Capitalization (Vi tế Hoa vs. Vi tế hoa) “i” & “y” http://du-an-most.hanoilug.org/MostWiki/QuyUocChinhTa
- 31. 31 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation MOSWC 2015 “MICROSOFT OFFICE SPECIALIST WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 2015” Sponsored by M$ The Vietnamese name of the competition is misleading, the word “Microsoft” is omitted The communities voice and send open letter the the organizer Ministry of Education, Viettel
- 32. 32 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Where We Are Going from Now Keep translating UI, Help LibreOffice Manuals/Books Keep translation rate not under a certain threshold Commit to a Definition of Done (e.x: all menus are translated, no less than x% of UI translation...) Marketing More often (Thanks Italo and Cor) News, blog, share news from #TDF, #LibreOffice Documenting should be hard LibO is easy enough for basic use
- 33. 33 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation A Case Study on Vietnamese Localization for LibreOffice The past, current status and and how did we engage the community Nguyen Vu Hung, Vietnam l10n Team 2015/11/25 @Aarhus, Denmark 2015
- 34. 34 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation Q&A
- 35. 35 LibreOffice Aarhus 2015 Conference Presentation All text and image content in this document is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License (unless otherwise specified). "LibreOffice" and "The Document Foundation" are registered trademarks. Their respective logos and icons are subject to international copyright laws. The use of these therefore is subject to the trademark policy. LibreOffice Aarhus Conference 2015 Find out more at http://conference.libreoffice.org