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LeSS vs SAFe
And the Great Scaling Debate
Clear Systems, LLC
Definitions
LeSS SAFe
LeSS: Scrum applied to many
teams working together on one
product
SAFe: A freely revealed knowledge
base of integrated, proven
patterns for enterprise Lean-Agile
development
…combines the power of Agile
with systems thinking and Lean
product development
Large-Scale Scrum: More with LeSS,
Larman & Vodde
Scaled Agile
Concept
LeSS SAFe
De-Scale the Organization
to enable broad agility and
larger Scrum efforts
Provide a structural
framework to enable Scaling
of Lean and Agile concepts
Where are these differences?
Let’s first compare their stated principles
Asserted Principles
LeSS SAFe
• Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum
• Transparency
• More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process)
• Whole-product focus
• Customer Centric
• Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection
• Lean thinking
• (Managers-as-teachers,
• Go See,
• Respect,
• Continuous improvement)
• Systems thinking
• Empirical process control
• Queueing theory
• Take an Economic View
• Apply systems thinking
• Assume variability; preserve options
• Build incrementally with fast, integrated
learning cycles
• Base milestones on objective evaluation of
working systems
• Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes,
and manage queue lengths
• Apply cadence, synchronize with cross-
domain planning
• Unlock the intrinsic motivation of
knowledge workers
• Decentralize decision making
Close Match
LeSS SAFe
• Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum
• Transparency
• More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process)
• Whole-product focus
• Customer Centric
• Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection
• Lean thinking
• (Managers-as-teachers,
• Go See,
• Respect,
• Continuous improvement)
• Systems thinking
• Empirical process control
• Queueing theory
• Take an Economic View
• Apply systems thinking
• Assume variability; preserve options
• Build incrementally with fast, integrated
learning cycles
• Base milestones on objective evaluation of
working systems
• Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes,
and manage queue lengths
• Apply cadence, synchronize with cross-
domain planning
• Unlock the intrinsic motivation of
knowledge workers
• Decentralize decision making
Pretty Good
LeSS SAFe
• Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum
• Transparency
• More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process)
• Whole-product focus
• Customer Centric
• Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection
• Lean thinking
• (Managers-as-teachers,
• Go See,
• Respect,
• Continuous improvement)
• Systems thinking
• Empirical process control
• Queueing theory
• Take an Economic View
• Apply systems thinking
• Assume variability; preserve options
• Build incrementally with fast, integrated
learning cycles
• Base milestones on objective evaluation of
working systems
• Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes,
and manage queue lengths
• Apply cadence, synchronize with cross-
domain planning
• Unlock the intrinsic motivation of
knowledge workers
• Decentralize decision making
Each Speaks to Elsewhere (emphasis differs on some)
LeSS SAFe
• Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum
• Transparency
• More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process)
• Whole-product focus
• Customer Centric
• Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection
• Lean thinking
• (Managers-as-teachers,
• Go See,
• Respect,
• Continuous improvement)
• Systems thinking
• Empirical process control
• Queueing theory
• Take an Economic View
• Apply systems thinking
• Assume variability; preserve options
• Build incrementally with fast, integrated
learning cycles
• Base milestones on objective evaluation of
working systems
• Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes,
and manage queue lengths
• Apply cadence, synchronize with cross-
domain planning
• Unlock the intrinsic motivation of
knowledge workers
• Decentralize decision making
Summarizes as
Fundamentals look mostly similar!
Core asserted Principles Core Practices
• Lean principles
• Systems Thinking,
optimizing the whole
• The Agile Manifesto
• Product Backlog
• Product Owner
• Scrum Masters,
• Sprints, cadence
• Regular Reviews,
Reflection
With some notable differences in
implementation
Clues are in the Outlying Non-Matches
LeSS SAFe
• Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum
• Transparency
• More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process)
• Whole-product focus
• Customer Centric
• Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection
• Lean thinking
• (Managers-as-teachers,
• Go See,
• Respect,
• Continuous improvement)
• Systems thinking
• Empirical process control
• Queueing theory
• Take an Economic View
• Apply systems thinking
• Assume variability; preserve options
• Build incrementally with fast, integrated
learning cycles
• Base milestones on objective evaluation of
working systems
• Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes,
and manage queue lengths
• Apply cadence, synchronize with cross-
domain planning
• Unlock the intrinsic motivation of
knowledge workers
• Decentralize decision making
More is revealed in principles scattered elsewhere
LeSS SAFe
• “Build your methodology up – don’t tailor it
down” (Boehm and Turner) (LeSS Training)
• “Less is (an) organizational design framework”
(LeSS training)
• Descaling, from Taylorism to Innovation (LeSS
Training)
• Redistribute the power to frontline
• Reduce bureaucracy
• Simplify by removing hierarchies
• “There are no dependencies, only
opportunities for shared work.” (More with
LeSS)
“We need to have people in roles that can take a
large initiative, break it into smaller initiatives,
manage the small initiatives, and deliver them.
You have to have that.” (Dean Leffingwell
interview)
Emphasis on Deming and Mgmt Responsibility
Only management can change the system
It is not enough that management commit
themselves to quality and productivity, the must
know what it is they must do (Deming)
Reinertsen
Product flow, Weighted Shortest Job First
Kotter 8-step change process
Practice – How all this Manifests
Structure
LeSS SAFe
Scrum Teams (up to 8 SCRUM teams)
One Product Owner
Up to 8 Teams - may do Scrum,
A Product Owner per team
There is only the Product Owner, the Dev
Teams, and Scrum Masters (per 1-3 teams)
Program Level has a Product Management,
System Arch/Eng, and a Release Train Engineer
DevOps and IT Operations are shown as separate
(Less Huge – Above 8 Teams) a Product Owner,
a Product Area Owner for each group of teams
(up to 8 in a group)
Up to two more levels, the Solution and
Enterprise, at each the Product Manager, System
Arch/Eng, and RTE equivalents repeat (more or
less)
Practice – How all this Manifests
Process
LeSS SAFe
Customer Interaction
The Product Owner (1 per 8 teams) prioritizes
but the teams work directly with the client on
details
The Product Owner works directly with one team
and coordinates with the Product Manager and
customers (who CAN be brought in)
Cadence
There is only the Sprint There is the sprint and the Program Increment
The Backlog
There is one Product Backlog (even in LeSS
Huge)
SAFe is silent on Backlog implementation but
Conceptually and visually backlogs at each layer
Practice
Process
LeSS SAFe
Architecture
Multi-team design workshop (coordinated by
the teams) and architecture communities,
cross-team architecture learning workshops
Architecture Runway, Arch/Eng leads at each
level. Architect role defines Architecture Enablers
implemented by teams
Projects
There are no projects, only Products teams
(may consist of Product Areas in LeSS Huge)
No projects, only release trains, solution streams
and value streams
Prioritization and budgeting
No guidance Weighted-Shortest-Job-First (WSJF) for
prioritizing, guidance on how to budget in an
incremental product-based environment
Summary
LeSS SAFe
• Organizational simplification
• Extremely high team empowerment and
dependence on inter-team collaboration
• Minimalist “Build your methodology up –
don’t tailor it down”
• Whole Product – single backlog
• Emphasis on system change
• Agile at Scale enabled by higher level
structure – itself based on Lean/Agile at each
level - is essential to scaling Agile
• Underlying organizational change is implicit
but not heavily asserted
• Emphasis on Management Leading -
Only management can change the system
Summary Observation
Organizational simplification is key to achieving
the perfect learning organization that can pivot
easily
A higher enabling Agile Scaling framework is
critical; Program Layer and PI Planning are
central
Art.Moore@clearsystemsllc.com
info@clearsystemsllc.com
www.ClearSystemsLLC.com
@ClearSystesmLLC

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Less vs sa fe agile dc 2017 - clear systems

  • 1. LeSS vs SAFe And the Great Scaling Debate Clear Systems, LLC
  • 2. Definitions LeSS SAFe LeSS: Scrum applied to many teams working together on one product SAFe: A freely revealed knowledge base of integrated, proven patterns for enterprise Lean-Agile development …combines the power of Agile with systems thinking and Lean product development Large-Scale Scrum: More with LeSS, Larman & Vodde Scaled Agile
  • 3. Concept LeSS SAFe De-Scale the Organization to enable broad agility and larger Scrum efforts Provide a structural framework to enable Scaling of Lean and Agile concepts
  • 4. Where are these differences? Let’s first compare their stated principles
  • 5. Asserted Principles LeSS SAFe • Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum • Transparency • More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process) • Whole-product focus • Customer Centric • Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection • Lean thinking • (Managers-as-teachers, • Go See, • Respect, • Continuous improvement) • Systems thinking • Empirical process control • Queueing theory • Take an Economic View • Apply systems thinking • Assume variability; preserve options • Build incrementally with fast, integrated learning cycles • Base milestones on objective evaluation of working systems • Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes, and manage queue lengths • Apply cadence, synchronize with cross- domain planning • Unlock the intrinsic motivation of knowledge workers • Decentralize decision making
  • 6. Close Match LeSS SAFe • Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum • Transparency • More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process) • Whole-product focus • Customer Centric • Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection • Lean thinking • (Managers-as-teachers, • Go See, • Respect, • Continuous improvement) • Systems thinking • Empirical process control • Queueing theory • Take an Economic View • Apply systems thinking • Assume variability; preserve options • Build incrementally with fast, integrated learning cycles • Base milestones on objective evaluation of working systems • Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes, and manage queue lengths • Apply cadence, synchronize with cross- domain planning • Unlock the intrinsic motivation of knowledge workers • Decentralize decision making
  • 7. Pretty Good LeSS SAFe • Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum • Transparency • More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process) • Whole-product focus • Customer Centric • Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection • Lean thinking • (Managers-as-teachers, • Go See, • Respect, • Continuous improvement) • Systems thinking • Empirical process control • Queueing theory • Take an Economic View • Apply systems thinking • Assume variability; preserve options • Build incrementally with fast, integrated learning cycles • Base milestones on objective evaluation of working systems • Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes, and manage queue lengths • Apply cadence, synchronize with cross- domain planning • Unlock the intrinsic motivation of knowledge workers • Decentralize decision making
  • 8. Each Speaks to Elsewhere (emphasis differs on some) LeSS SAFe • Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum • Transparency • More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process) • Whole-product focus • Customer Centric • Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection • Lean thinking • (Managers-as-teachers, • Go See, • Respect, • Continuous improvement) • Systems thinking • Empirical process control • Queueing theory • Take an Economic View • Apply systems thinking • Assume variability; preserve options • Build incrementally with fast, integrated learning cycles • Base milestones on objective evaluation of working systems • Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes, and manage queue lengths • Apply cadence, synchronize with cross- domain planning • Unlock the intrinsic motivation of knowledge workers • Decentralize decision making
  • 9. Summarizes as Fundamentals look mostly similar! Core asserted Principles Core Practices • Lean principles • Systems Thinking, optimizing the whole • The Agile Manifesto • Product Backlog • Product Owner • Scrum Masters, • Sprints, cadence • Regular Reviews, Reflection With some notable differences in implementation
  • 10. Clues are in the Outlying Non-Matches LeSS SAFe • Large-Scale Scrum is Scrum • Transparency • More with LeSS (roles, artifacts, process) • Whole-product focus • Customer Centric • Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection • Lean thinking • (Managers-as-teachers, • Go See, • Respect, • Continuous improvement) • Systems thinking • Empirical process control • Queueing theory • Take an Economic View • Apply systems thinking • Assume variability; preserve options • Build incrementally with fast, integrated learning cycles • Base milestones on objective evaluation of working systems • Visualize and limit WIP, reduce batch sizes, and manage queue lengths • Apply cadence, synchronize with cross- domain planning • Unlock the intrinsic motivation of knowledge workers • Decentralize decision making
  • 11. More is revealed in principles scattered elsewhere LeSS SAFe • “Build your methodology up – don’t tailor it down” (Boehm and Turner) (LeSS Training) • “Less is (an) organizational design framework” (LeSS training) • Descaling, from Taylorism to Innovation (LeSS Training) • Redistribute the power to frontline • Reduce bureaucracy • Simplify by removing hierarchies • “There are no dependencies, only opportunities for shared work.” (More with LeSS) “We need to have people in roles that can take a large initiative, break it into smaller initiatives, manage the small initiatives, and deliver them. You have to have that.” (Dean Leffingwell interview) Emphasis on Deming and Mgmt Responsibility Only management can change the system It is not enough that management commit themselves to quality and productivity, the must know what it is they must do (Deming) Reinertsen Product flow, Weighted Shortest Job First Kotter 8-step change process
  • 12. Practice – How all this Manifests Structure LeSS SAFe Scrum Teams (up to 8 SCRUM teams) One Product Owner Up to 8 Teams - may do Scrum, A Product Owner per team There is only the Product Owner, the Dev Teams, and Scrum Masters (per 1-3 teams) Program Level has a Product Management, System Arch/Eng, and a Release Train Engineer DevOps and IT Operations are shown as separate (Less Huge – Above 8 Teams) a Product Owner, a Product Area Owner for each group of teams (up to 8 in a group) Up to two more levels, the Solution and Enterprise, at each the Product Manager, System Arch/Eng, and RTE equivalents repeat (more or less)
  • 13. Practice – How all this Manifests Process LeSS SAFe Customer Interaction The Product Owner (1 per 8 teams) prioritizes but the teams work directly with the client on details The Product Owner works directly with one team and coordinates with the Product Manager and customers (who CAN be brought in) Cadence There is only the Sprint There is the sprint and the Program Increment The Backlog There is one Product Backlog (even in LeSS Huge) SAFe is silent on Backlog implementation but Conceptually and visually backlogs at each layer
  • 14. Practice Process LeSS SAFe Architecture Multi-team design workshop (coordinated by the teams) and architecture communities, cross-team architecture learning workshops Architecture Runway, Arch/Eng leads at each level. Architect role defines Architecture Enablers implemented by teams Projects There are no projects, only Products teams (may consist of Product Areas in LeSS Huge) No projects, only release trains, solution streams and value streams Prioritization and budgeting No guidance Weighted-Shortest-Job-First (WSJF) for prioritizing, guidance on how to budget in an incremental product-based environment
  • 15. Summary LeSS SAFe • Organizational simplification • Extremely high team empowerment and dependence on inter-team collaboration • Minimalist “Build your methodology up – don’t tailor it down” • Whole Product – single backlog • Emphasis on system change • Agile at Scale enabled by higher level structure – itself based on Lean/Agile at each level - is essential to scaling Agile • Underlying organizational change is implicit but not heavily asserted • Emphasis on Management Leading - Only management can change the system Summary Observation Organizational simplification is key to achieving the perfect learning organization that can pivot easily A higher enabling Agile Scaling framework is critical; Program Layer and PI Planning are central

Editor's Notes

  • #2: This is a 10 minute talk, like “speed dating” applied to conference presentations - so I will go through the slide rapidly, especially the principles mapping that just sets the stage, and everyone should have this material as handouts to follow along, and take with you. The purpose is to provide an objective, behind the curtain/next level down look at LeSS vs SAFe, one step below the generalities. Not in terms of better or worse, but simply same/different. See what’s there, and although I’ll make a summary observation, it’s for you to align the relative importance to you of the facts I’ll present.
  • #3: So just from the definitions we start to see a key difference. LeSS is Scrum, explicitly. SAFe draws on Agile but provides explicit patterns for doing it at the enterprise level.
  • #4: At a quick summary look, LeSS is about de-scaling the organization so that you have an environment as devoid as possible of hand-offs and sub-optimizations, and can implement large Scrum efforts. SAFe defines an explicit structural framework to enable scaling and asserts the need for doing so to address issues of architecture and execution at scale.
  • #5: When you pop the hood on each, where are the specific similarities and differences. Let’s start at the bottom with the core principles each asserts. This is useful.
  • #6: Here they are. Let’s see how they compare…
  • #7: Still keeping our analysis at a macro level, these map closely. Both reference queuing theory and systems thinking. LeSS discussion of Continuous Improvement Toward Perfection and SAFe explanation of Building incrementally both speak to continually improving the product through iteration. The LeSS empirical process control principle embraces not just the product, but everything (process, etc.). SAFe’s principle about basing milestones on objective evaluation (empirical) is primarily applied to product, but SAFe does speak to process improvement elsewhere.
  • #8: Though they state dedication to Lean thinking in somewhat different terms, both express it as a fundamental element of their approaches
  • #9: Both LeSS and SAFe align with transparency, assuming variability and preserving options, customer centricity and decentralizing decision making, but vary on which they express as principles. Having it stated as a principle doesn’t necessarily mean greater emphasis. For example, although SAFe makes decentralizing decision making a core principle, this is actually even more evident in LeSS in terms of comparative practices, as we’ll see. SAFe states Transparency as one of four core values, even more fundamental than the 9 SAFe principles
  • #10: So the majority of their core principles are pretty similar. At a further level of generalize, they both assert the importance applying Lean Principles and Systems Thinking. And both pledge allegiance to the Agile Manifesto. This manifests in, at a very macro level, the basic constructs of backlogs, Product Owners (and Scrum Masters), sprints and cadence, and regular reviews and reflection being incorporated by both LeSS and SAFe. So where do the differences come from? They start to appear when we look at the remaining principles we haven’t mapped yet, and how these practices are implemented based on them.
  • #11: These remaining principles are where we begin to see the major differences in approach between LeSS and SAFe start to surface. LeSS is Scrum. Period. Scaling Scrum. It calls explicitly for flattening, or “de-scaling the organizational hierarchy, few roles, artifacts and process. And scaling Scrum as Scrum, without getting into additives. It is silent on management structure outside the Product Owner and Scrum Master. (Product Area Owners do show up in LeSS Huge). The Whole Product Focus points to one backlog, one Product Owner, one sprint, one product. SAFe’s insistence on cross-functional, empowered teams, and organizing around Product value streams could be said to imply organizational redesign as a Critical Success Factor. But in emphasizing the need for management leadership and strategy, it does add most fundamentally the program layer, itself structured to operate on lean and agile principles, but another layer of roles and process in any case. And it provides a layer for synchronizing across product domains. In emphasizing taking an Economic View as a core principle, SAFe previews the inclusion of guidance on budgeting and prioritization processes, e.g.. Weighted-Shortest-Job-First, at various levels - areas LeSS does dictate guidance for in its framework.
  • #12: More is revealed when we look just one level deeper at LeSS and SAFe training and literature. LeSS couldn’t be clearer about its focus on radically de-scaling the organization and minimalist emphasis, letting teams and organization innovate within basic rules and guidance. Reference Barry Boehm’s principle that you build methodology up to suit your purposes, you don’t tailor down. Moreover, LeSS deprecates the whole concept of “managing dependencies” through another layer of coordination, saying there are no dependencies, only opportunities for shared work. As Ran Nyman puts it, the coordination cost is transformed into investment in learning by teams handling their own coordination. SAFe on the other hand is built on the assumption that Agile practices require additional structure and active management direction and leadership to make it work, but added structure that is, at each level, also implemented based on Lean and Agile principles In doing so, it extends into guidance on budgeting and approach to prioritization – the Economic View principle – leveraging Reinersten’s weighted-shortest-job-first in particular. It’s not that LeSS says management buy-in and vision is not key, it’s that SAFe places explicit emphasis on management in the SAFe implementation roadmap it recommends, and the specific roles at each level.
  • #13: How does all this ultimately shake-out in in terms of practice? We’ve already touched on a few of the structural points, but here are some key specifics: SAFe has a Product Owner per team, a Product Management at the next level up. LeSS has ONE Product Owner for up to 8 teams. SAFe has a Release Train Engineer and System Architecture/Engineering at the explicit program level above the teams. LeSS has none of that. Above 8 teams, LeSS introduces groups of teams and Product Area Owners for each group, but still only one Product Owner over the whole product. In SAFe, the pattern of Release Train Engineer, Product Management, and Architecture/Engineering roles scale up to Solutions and then to the Enterprise Portfolio, with analogous repetition of these roles (more or less) with similar names.
  • #14: Let’s look at the last point first. LeSS’s flat Product Owner structure is supported by each team empowered to engage directly with the customer to work out details. The Product Owner is above this. In SAFe there is the traditional team Product Owner role for each team. In SAFe much of the emphasis is around Program Increment planning. According to Scaled Agile, there’s nothing magical about SAFe, unless its PI planning. This is a central collaboration and forward planning event. In LeSS there is only the sprint. All teams get together for sprint review first half, then individual teams the second half. In LeSS Huge, where there are multiple Product Areas for the Product Area Owners collaborate regularly but how that is done is left up to them. In LeSS there is literally one Product Backlog, and specific discussion on how this accomplished, in order to avoid possible sub-optimization. SAFe doesn’t get into the mechanics of how each level of Backlog is managed, but has a holistic flow defined of what level of detail is achieved at each level.
  • #15: SAFe accounts for incremental development of an architectural runway using architecture enablers defined by an architect role. In LeSS multi-team design workshops and communities are the mechanism – and sometimes “traveler” team members with special skills they gradually train out In both SAFe and LeSS there are no projects. In LeSS there are Products. The Product scope grows as the Definition of Done is perfected to encompass the entire value stream,. SAFe provides sizing levels – Release Trains, Solutions, and Value Streams. The SAFe framework includes process guidance for backlog prioritization and budgeting. LeSS does not speak to this, in line with its minimalist approach.
  • #16: We could summarize this way: LeSS focuses on organizational simplification, a minimalist approach to Agile rules, based on Scrum and a whole product focus For SAFe Agile at scale is enabled by a scaling structure, each layer of which is designed to operated on Lean/Agile principles. The Both identify the need for system change. SAFe dwells more on the responsibility of Management to lead this change Distilling all of this down to a final observation that I believe it is accurate to say that LeSS asserts organizational simplification as key to achieving the perfect learning organization (not sub-optimized) that can pivot easily. SAFe asserts the need and value of a higher level structure for enabling dynamic coordination and necessary whole product guidance; the Program Layer and PI Planning are central pieces. There you have it. A next level down comparison of actual elements asserted by LeSS and SAFe. Plenty specific data to debate over!