This document discusses the idea that natural minds are information-processing virtual machines that have been produced by evolution. It argues that to truly understand natural minds, we need to describe them with sufficient precision to enable the design of artificial minds. The key challenges are determining what concepts to use in theories of the mind and deciding whether producing artificial minds similar to natural ones will require new computing machinery. The document also discusses how virtual machines in computers can have causal powers and how psychotherapy can be viewed as debugging the "virtual machine" of the mind.