Old philosophers and new learning an intro
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The document explores the relevance of ancient philosophers to contemporary discussions on AI, ethics, and education, questioning why modern thinkers frequently reference them. It raises several inquiries about the motivations behind these references, the depth of understanding of philosophical concepts, and the potential impact philosophy could have on learning and technology. Ultimately, it suggests starting a collaborative space for reflection and learning, emphasizing the need for a deeper contextual appreciation of philosophical ideas.
![Que sçay-je?
Quand je me joue à ma chatte, qui
sçait si elle passe son temps de
moy plus que je ne fay d’elle ?
[When I play with my cat who
knows if I am not a pastime to her
more than she is to me?] – Michel
de Montaigne (1533-1592)
(Book II, chap. 12, p. 401)](https://image.slidesharecdn.com/oldphilosophersandnewlearning3-181207084344/85/Old-philosophers-and-new-learning-an-intro-12-320.jpg)
Old philosophers and new learning an intro
- 1. Old Philosophers & New Learning A talk with all of us (in the room)
- 2. Philosophers are often referred to …
- 3. During this OEB: socrates, Aristoteles, Niklas Luhmann, Confucius, Jean Piaget, John Dewey, Judith Butler …
- 4. A lot of the discussions e.g. AI, machine learning, data …are on ‘ethics’ or ‘ethical behaviour’, but …
- 5. What do we feel the need to point towards philosophers, and why so ‘general’ ? • Is it because we want to raise our status? To show that we can think? • Is it because we feel something is missing when we develop AI, and our hope lies in philosophy to save us? • Is it because we want to show, we as learning developers who produce machine learning/algorithms… are actually thinking of humans? • …
- 6. And if we refer to philosophers and link them to learning… what do we choose to highlight? • Is there a clear deeper context? • Do all the speakers who refer to philosophers know what the full context of the reference is? • Is it necessary to know the deeper meaning of all our references? • Can philosophy help in our AI, data science projects? And why do we think so?
- 7. I will list these questions again at the end
- 8. Now let me add some of my favorite (limiting to those who are dead)
- 9. A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792), calls for women and men to be educated equally.
- 10. Juan Luis Vives • Schools should not be for profit • Organic pedagogy (Juan Luis Vives, 1492, Valencia, Spain – 1540, Brugge, Belgium)
- 11. Informal learning => Living a fearless life ἀταραξία (ataraxia,) is a Greek philosophy term used to describe a lucid state of robust equanimity Ἐπίκουρος (Epicurus; 341–270 BC) believed that what he called "pleasure" (ἡδονή) was the greatest good, but that the way to attain such pleasure was to live modestly, to gain knowledge of the workings of the world, and to limit one's desires wikipedia
- 12. Que sçay-je? Quand je me joue à ma chatte, qui sçait si elle passe son temps de moy plus que je ne fay d’elle ? [When I play with my cat who knows if I am not a pastime to her more than she is to me?] – Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592) (Book II, chap. 12, p. 401)
- 13. What is my interest with them (currently) Three blogs, hoping this will give an idea • Aristotle and echo chambers post • Short commentary on Mengzi, Socrates and social media • Hayek versus Dewey: opposing thoughts on democracy
- 14. So … can old philosophers be of use to new learning: giving us a compass, providing a looking glass, supporting a case, make us think deeper? Maybe start a collaborative online magazine that enables us to simply reflect and learn?
- 15. The Questions I started with … The need to refer to them • Is it because we want to raise our status? To show that we can think? • Is it because we feel something is missing when we develop AI, and our hope lies in philosophy to save us? • Is it because we want to show, we as learning developers who produce machine learning/algorithms… are actually thinking of humans? What do we choose to highlight in reference to learning? • Is there a clear deeper context? • Do all the speakers who refer to philosophers know what the full context of the reference is? • Is it necessary to know the deeper meaning of all our references? • Can philosophy help in our AI, data science projects? And why do we think so?
Editor's Notes
- #11: Promoting games as a means of instruction
- #12: Epicurus believed that what he called "pleasure" (ἡδονή) was the greatest good, but that the way to attain such pleasure was to live modestly, to gain knowledge of the workings of the world, and to limit one's desires Epicurus (/ˌɛpɪˈkjʊərəs/;[2] Greek: Ἐπίκουρος, Epíkouros, "ally, comrade"; 341–270 BC) was an a
- #13: which he had set on a personal medallion together with the Greek word epokhe [I hold back, or I reserve judgment], and on a pair of scales to remind himself of the potential equality of strength of two opposing arguments. Montaigne held a high office, he was mayor of … and his family owned a big corporation. In a way, he could choose to go on. But when he was 37 ………… years old, he preyed to god that God would permit him to learn. And however prestigious his professional, political work was … he is now known for his philosophical work and Essays. He introduced the essay as a form of critical thinking and to describe personal learning.