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Students CAN Write 
Changing the Narrative of a Deficit Model 
Kevin English: Wayne Memorial High School - Wayne, Michigan 
Kirsten Melise LeBlanc: St. Paul Catholic School - Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan 
Beth Shaum: St. Frances Cabrini Middle School - Allen Park, Michigan
Students can’t write because… 
In the 1970s and 1980s: 
...they’re spending too much time watching TV 
In the 1990s and 2000s: 
…. they’re spending too much time online 
In the 2000s and 2010s: 
… they’re texting and tweeting too much
Students can’t write. Says who? 
“The Media” 
Education “Reformers” 
Parents 
Teachers who don’t write
The Need for Data 
Students have to write a lot before 
we know what they can do. 
“Any one-shot assessment procedure cannot capture the 
depth and breadth of information teachers have available to 
them. Even when a widely used, commercial test is 
administered, teachers must draw upon the full range of 
their knowledge about content and individual students to 
make sense of the limited information such a test provides.” 
-NCTE’s Standards for the Assessment of Reading and 
Writing
And who says what counts? 
Multiple choice 
assessments 
for writing do 
not show 
transfer or 
ability to write.
Students CAN Write 
What exactly are we focusing on when we 
say students can't write? 
Are we feeding them to the wolves and 
saying, “Go forth and write!” with no 
scaffolding, or are we giving students 
models of good writing to observe and 
emulate?
This is Just to Say I have eaten 
the plums 
that were in 
the icebox 
and which 
you were probably 
saving 
for breakfast 
Forgive me 
they were delicious 
so sweet 
and so cold 
- William Carlos Williams
Students can write
Change our mindset… 
We can obsess over what our students are doing 
wrong, which is an exercise in futility because 
developing writers will ALWAYS make mistakes… 
… or we can focus on what our students do well 
as an entrypoint for helping them improve.
Students can write
Students can write
“...good sixth grade writing may 
have more errors per word than 
good third grade writing. In a 
Piagetian sense, children do not 
master things for once and for all. 
A child who may appear to have 
mastered sentence sense in the 
fourth grade may suddenly begin 
making what adults call sentence 
errors all over again as he 
attempts to accommodate his 
knowledge of sentences to more 
complicated constructions.” - 
Roger McCaig (1977) 
“... it is not unusual 
for people 
acquiring a skill to 
get ‘worse’ before 
they get better and 
for writers to err 
more as they 
venture more.” - 
Mina Shaughnessy 
(1977)
Errors are a sign 
your students are 
learning!
"But their grammar is so bad!" 
● What exactly do we mean by this? 
● What rules are we holding sacred? 
○ Productive rules that help with clarity? 
○ or arbitrary, prescriptive, archaic "rules" 
A run-on/ 
fragment in 
the first 
paragraph!
Oh 
really?
Are we encouraging 
risk-taking?
“But they have to know the rules before they can 
break them.” 
How do our beliefs about writing influence the work 
students complete? 
How we spend our time matters. If we only show 
students one genre of writing, i.e., the five-paragraph 
essay, then that’s all we can ever 
expect. There’s more to writing!
Subversion… it’s a Good Thing
Subversion… it’s a Good Thing
Subversion… it’s a Good Thing 
Dear Big Fish from This is Not My Hat, 
You are a mean-spirited and evil fish! The little fish did you a favor buddy. The hat you were 
wearing was way too small for you. How could you be so mean to Little Fish after you saw how 
cute he swam? He was adorable and you, I can't even talk to you right now... 
You ate Little Fish! Have you no soul man! All Little Fish wanted to do was to look snazzy with a hat 
(that fit properly). Yes, I'll admit it was wrong of Little Fish to steal it, but it was worse of you to eat 
him! Now Big Fish, you sit down and think about what you have done. 
Please don't get me started about that crab... 
- Zoe, 8th grader (2012-2013)
Same writing, different students 
“I’ve read the same thing 
150 times.” 
I’ve yet to read a five-paragraph essay that gave 
me goosebumps.
Exposure matters! 
“I need more 
time to write 
because I often 
have multiple 
packets due in 
the same 
week.”
Nurturing an identity as writer 
“Some people listen to music. I write. I feel 
like there is always someone listening. I can 
be as blunt as I want to be.”
Sacred Writing Time 
“There must be 
time for the seed of 
the idea to be 
nurtured in the 
mind.” -Don Murray 
Three Rules: 
1. Write the entire 
time. 
2. Ignore your 
inner critic. 
3. Have fun!
Writing for you, not for me
"I just need to write today." 
When a football player asks for time to 
write, you know you’re doing something 
right.
Community Building 
“I was never pushed out of my comfort 
zone in this class. It actually made me feel 
like I was a part of something. … Seeing 
others happy to read made me think that 
I could get excited and start to read on a 
normal basis.”
Feedback Matters 
● Have you thought about...? 
● I wonder what it would look like if...? 
● Think about WHEN you give feedback, 
not just what that feedback is 
○ is a final draft really the best time?
Find out their pasts
I wrote all those comments, and students 
just ignored them!
The role of feedback 
Recently a student 
wrote, “I know I 
should read your 
feedback because 
that’s another thing 
that can help me, but 
I’m too scared to do 
it.”
Repositioning Students 
Students are writers in the room, too!
They know what they need! 
“I need to know what other words I could 
use except ‘he said’ and ‘she said.’ I need 
more descriptive words.” 
“I’m not sure how to end it, or even how to 
lead to the end. Does it need dialogue?”
And they know how to help! 
“Other people like my work, 
but they said I needed 
more details about Chuck 
and if he got in trouble by 
the store.” 
“My peers wanted me to 
explain more about Danny. 
I only mentioned his name.” 
“People seemed to like 
how I played with 
colors… but they also 
said I need to go 
deeper into her goals 
and hopes.”
Write Beside Them 
So… 
What we discover when 
we write with our 
students is that this 
writing thing is HARD... 
… and we begin to show 
a little empathy toward 
our students’ plight.
Write Beside Them 
"For years I had expected 
my students to go on 
swimming without me 
while I barked orders from 
my chaise lounge." - 
Penny Kittle
Visit the EMWP website: 
http://emichwp.org/wp/ 
A place to 
start writing 
beside them
“Writing is how we think our 
way into a subject and make it 
our own.” 
~ William Zinsser
Students Can’t Write in Math... 
● Writing has no place in the math 
curriculum. 
● Elementary students are too young to 
express their thoughts in writing. 
● It’s too hard.
Are We Sure About That?!
“If I can think about it, I can 
talk about it. If I can talk 
about it, I can write about it.” 
~ Lucy Calkins
In Order to Own the Concept... 
Students need to be given time to: 
REFLECT 
DISCUSS 
WRITE 
about the concept at hand, in their own words.
Let Me Think About That 
Thoughtful reflection is an integral part of the 
math classroom.
Let’s Talk Math! 
A meaningful discussion leads to in-depth writing.
Write Now...A Window to their Thoughts 
Wrap up discussion with written responses. 
Allow students to apply, analyze, evaluate 
and create!
Writing Samples…Direct from a 3rd Grade Math Class
Students can write
The Progression of Learning 
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” 
~ Benjamin Franklin 
“I don’t know.” “I don’t get this.” 
“Do you mean…? 
“No, wait...I got this…!”
I Got This! 
● Created a multistep 
story problem. 
● Identified strategies 
needed to solve it. 
● Broke it down into 
manageable 
diagrams. 
● Solved with detailed 
explanation of 
thought process. 
● Presented final 
answer in a 
sentence.
Portfolio Assessments
Collegial Conversations 
The LAST 
(Looking at 
Students’ 
Thinking) 
Protocol you’ll 
ever need…
“There will always be an error, a 
refusal, an inadequate paragraph. Student 
writing will never be perfect. We live 
among the mess. We can choose to 
wallow in the doom. Or we can choose 
joy.” - Ruth Ayers
Contact us 
Find this presentation on Slideshare 
Kevin English - kevinmenglish@gmail.com 
Kirsten Melise LeBlanc - keleblanc92@gmail.com 
Beth Shaum - bethshaum@gmail.com
Bibliography 
Ayres, R., & Overman, C. (2013). Celebrating writers: from possibilities through publication. Portland, Maine: 
Stenhouse. 
Kittle, P. (2008). Write beside them: risk, voice, and clarity in high school writing. Portsmouth, NH: 
Heinemann. 
McCaig, R.A. (1977). What research and evaluation tell us about teaching written expression in the 
elementary school. In C. Weaver and R. Douma (Eds.), The language arts teacher in action (pp. 46-56). 
Kalamazoo, MI: Western Michigan University. Distributed by the National Council of Teachers of English. 
Shaughnessy, M.P. (1977). Errors and expectations: A guide for the teacher of basic writing. New York: 
Oxford University Press. 
Sheils, M. (1975, December 8). Why johnny can't write. Newsweek, p. 58. 
Weaver, C. (1996). Teaching grammar in context. Portsmouth, NH: Boynton/Cook Publishers.
Bibliography - Math References 
Chapin, S., O’Connor, C. & Anderson, N. (2009). Classroom Discussions Using Math Talk to Help 
Students Learn. Sausalito, CA: Math Solutions. 
Smith, M. & Stein, M. (2011). 5 Practices for Orchestrating Productive Mathematics Discussions. 
Reston, VA: The National Council of Teachers of Mathematics. 
Van de Walle, J. & Lovin, L. (2006). Teaching Student Centered Mathematics Grades 3-5. Boston, 
MA: Pearson Education Inc.
Trade Books Referenced 
Gaiman, N., & Young, S. (2013). Fortunately, the milk. New York: Harper. 
Levine, G. C. (2012). Forgive me, I meant to do it: false apology poems. New York: Harper. 
Lloyd, N. (2014). A snicker of magic. New York: Scholastic. 
Winter, J. (2011). The watcher: Jane Goodall's life with the chimps. New York: Schwartz & Wade 
Books.

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Students can write

  • 1. Students CAN Write Changing the Narrative of a Deficit Model Kevin English: Wayne Memorial High School - Wayne, Michigan Kirsten Melise LeBlanc: St. Paul Catholic School - Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan Beth Shaum: St. Frances Cabrini Middle School - Allen Park, Michigan
  • 2. Students can’t write because… In the 1970s and 1980s: ...they’re spending too much time watching TV In the 1990s and 2000s: …. they’re spending too much time online In the 2000s and 2010s: … they’re texting and tweeting too much
  • 3. Students can’t write. Says who? “The Media” Education “Reformers” Parents Teachers who don’t write
  • 4. The Need for Data Students have to write a lot before we know what they can do. “Any one-shot assessment procedure cannot capture the depth and breadth of information teachers have available to them. Even when a widely used, commercial test is administered, teachers must draw upon the full range of their knowledge about content and individual students to make sense of the limited information such a test provides.” -NCTE’s Standards for the Assessment of Reading and Writing
  • 5. And who says what counts? Multiple choice assessments for writing do not show transfer or ability to write.
  • 6. Students CAN Write What exactly are we focusing on when we say students can't write? Are we feeding them to the wolves and saying, “Go forth and write!” with no scaffolding, or are we giving students models of good writing to observe and emulate?
  • 7. This is Just to Say I have eaten the plums that were in the icebox and which you were probably saving for breakfast Forgive me they were delicious so sweet and so cold - William Carlos Williams
  • 9. Change our mindset… We can obsess over what our students are doing wrong, which is an exercise in futility because developing writers will ALWAYS make mistakes… … or we can focus on what our students do well as an entrypoint for helping them improve.
  • 12. “...good sixth grade writing may have more errors per word than good third grade writing. In a Piagetian sense, children do not master things for once and for all. A child who may appear to have mastered sentence sense in the fourth grade may suddenly begin making what adults call sentence errors all over again as he attempts to accommodate his knowledge of sentences to more complicated constructions.” - Roger McCaig (1977) “... it is not unusual for people acquiring a skill to get ‘worse’ before they get better and for writers to err more as they venture more.” - Mina Shaughnessy (1977)
  • 13. Errors are a sign your students are learning!
  • 14. "But their grammar is so bad!" ● What exactly do we mean by this? ● What rules are we holding sacred? ○ Productive rules that help with clarity? ○ or arbitrary, prescriptive, archaic "rules" A run-on/ fragment in the first paragraph!
  • 16. Are we encouraging risk-taking?
  • 17. “But they have to know the rules before they can break them.” How do our beliefs about writing influence the work students complete? How we spend our time matters. If we only show students one genre of writing, i.e., the five-paragraph essay, then that’s all we can ever expect. There’s more to writing!
  • 20. Subversion… it’s a Good Thing Dear Big Fish from This is Not My Hat, You are a mean-spirited and evil fish! The little fish did you a favor buddy. The hat you were wearing was way too small for you. How could you be so mean to Little Fish after you saw how cute he swam? He was adorable and you, I can't even talk to you right now... You ate Little Fish! Have you no soul man! All Little Fish wanted to do was to look snazzy with a hat (that fit properly). Yes, I'll admit it was wrong of Little Fish to steal it, but it was worse of you to eat him! Now Big Fish, you sit down and think about what you have done. Please don't get me started about that crab... - Zoe, 8th grader (2012-2013)
  • 21. Same writing, different students “I’ve read the same thing 150 times.” I’ve yet to read a five-paragraph essay that gave me goosebumps.
  • 22. Exposure matters! “I need more time to write because I often have multiple packets due in the same week.”
  • 23. Nurturing an identity as writer “Some people listen to music. I write. I feel like there is always someone listening. I can be as blunt as I want to be.”
  • 24. Sacred Writing Time “There must be time for the seed of the idea to be nurtured in the mind.” -Don Murray Three Rules: 1. Write the entire time. 2. Ignore your inner critic. 3. Have fun!
  • 25. Writing for you, not for me
  • 26. "I just need to write today." When a football player asks for time to write, you know you’re doing something right.
  • 27. Community Building “I was never pushed out of my comfort zone in this class. It actually made me feel like I was a part of something. … Seeing others happy to read made me think that I could get excited and start to read on a normal basis.”
  • 28. Feedback Matters ● Have you thought about...? ● I wonder what it would look like if...? ● Think about WHEN you give feedback, not just what that feedback is ○ is a final draft really the best time?
  • 29. Find out their pasts
  • 30. I wrote all those comments, and students just ignored them!
  • 31. The role of feedback Recently a student wrote, “I know I should read your feedback because that’s another thing that can help me, but I’m too scared to do it.”
  • 32. Repositioning Students Students are writers in the room, too!
  • 33. They know what they need! “I need to know what other words I could use except ‘he said’ and ‘she said.’ I need more descriptive words.” “I’m not sure how to end it, or even how to lead to the end. Does it need dialogue?”
  • 34. And they know how to help! “Other people like my work, but they said I needed more details about Chuck and if he got in trouble by the store.” “My peers wanted me to explain more about Danny. I only mentioned his name.” “People seemed to like how I played with colors… but they also said I need to go deeper into her goals and hopes.”
  • 35. Write Beside Them So… What we discover when we write with our students is that this writing thing is HARD... … and we begin to show a little empathy toward our students’ plight.
  • 36. Write Beside Them "For years I had expected my students to go on swimming without me while I barked orders from my chaise lounge." - Penny Kittle
  • 37. Visit the EMWP website: http://emichwp.org/wp/ A place to start writing beside them
  • 38. “Writing is how we think our way into a subject and make it our own.” ~ William Zinsser
  • 39. Students Can’t Write in Math... ● Writing has no place in the math curriculum. ● Elementary students are too young to express their thoughts in writing. ● It’s too hard.
  • 40. Are We Sure About That?!
  • 41. “If I can think about it, I can talk about it. If I can talk about it, I can write about it.” ~ Lucy Calkins
  • 42. In Order to Own the Concept... Students need to be given time to: REFLECT DISCUSS WRITE about the concept at hand, in their own words.
  • 43. Let Me Think About That Thoughtful reflection is an integral part of the math classroom.
  • 44. Let’s Talk Math! A meaningful discussion leads to in-depth writing.
  • 45. Write Now...A Window to their Thoughts Wrap up discussion with written responses. Allow students to apply, analyze, evaluate and create!
  • 46. Writing Samples…Direct from a 3rd Grade Math Class
  • 48. The Progression of Learning “Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” ~ Benjamin Franklin “I don’t know.” “I don’t get this.” “Do you mean…? “No, wait...I got this…!”
  • 49. I Got This! ● Created a multistep story problem. ● Identified strategies needed to solve it. ● Broke it down into manageable diagrams. ● Solved with detailed explanation of thought process. ● Presented final answer in a sentence.
  • 51. Collegial Conversations The LAST (Looking at Students’ Thinking) Protocol you’ll ever need…
  • 52. “There will always be an error, a refusal, an inadequate paragraph. Student writing will never be perfect. We live among the mess. We can choose to wallow in the doom. Or we can choose joy.” - Ruth Ayers
  • 53. Contact us Find this presentation on Slideshare Kevin English - kevinmenglish@gmail.com Kirsten Melise LeBlanc - keleblanc92@gmail.com Beth Shaum - bethshaum@gmail.com
  • 54. Bibliography Ayres, R., & Overman, C. (2013). Celebrating writers: from possibilities through publication. Portland, Maine: Stenhouse. Kittle, P. (2008). Write beside them: risk, voice, and clarity in high school writing. Portsmouth, NH: Heinemann. McCaig, R.A. (1977). What research and evaluation tell us about teaching written expression in the elementary school. In C. Weaver and R. Douma (Eds.), The language arts teacher in action (pp. 46-56). Kalamazoo, MI: Western Michigan University. Distributed by the National Council of Teachers of English. Shaughnessy, M.P. (1977). Errors and expectations: A guide for the teacher of basic writing. New York: Oxford University Press. Sheils, M. (1975, December 8). Why johnny can't write. Newsweek, p. 58. Weaver, C. (1996). Teaching grammar in context. Portsmouth, NH: Boynton/Cook Publishers.
  • 55. Bibliography - Math References Chapin, S., O’Connor, C. & Anderson, N. (2009). Classroom Discussions Using Math Talk to Help Students Learn. Sausalito, CA: Math Solutions. Smith, M. & Stein, M. (2011). 5 Practices for Orchestrating Productive Mathematics Discussions. Reston, VA: The National Council of Teachers of Mathematics. Van de Walle, J. & Lovin, L. (2006). Teaching Student Centered Mathematics Grades 3-5. Boston, MA: Pearson Education Inc.
  • 56. Trade Books Referenced Gaiman, N., & Young, S. (2013). Fortunately, the milk. New York: Harper. Levine, G. C. (2012). Forgive me, I meant to do it: false apology poems. New York: Harper. Lloyd, N. (2014). A snicker of magic. New York: Scholastic. Winter, J. (2011). The watcher: Jane Goodall's life with the chimps. New York: Schwartz & Wade Books.