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Can they become union members?
                                                                                                                  For Mariëtte
                                                                                        Yes they can
                                                                                 Sito                            800.000 self
                                                                                                                 employed
                         They didn't have to pay                    Self employed because they
                         because no social security                 had more money

                                                                                                          General question

                                                         You only get paid when you work
                                                                             No work, no pay
                                                                                                           What's a 0-hour
                           Only sometimes
                                                          Penalties when you don't work?                   contract?
                       Depends on the job
                                                   Not about realizing the thesis
                                                                  You shouldn't put
          Put it partially back to the employers
                                                                  the risk there
                                         Employera                                                      For Mariëtte
                                                    Employer has to take more                                                        Discussion/
                                                    responsibility                               What steps necessary                                                                                                             Sieto de Leeuw                 Managing Director Social & Public affairs
                                                                                                                                     questions                                                                                                                   Randstad Holding
                                      Pay for it           Want more flexibility?                to make your thesis
                                                                                                 reality?
                                  Think the flexibility will result in                                                                                                                                                            Mariëtte
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Official at FNV Bondgenoten; largest Trade
                                  endless open contracts?                                                                                                                                                                         Patijn                   Union in the Netherlands
                            Much flexibility will return in the box               Tom                                                                                                                   Speaker
                           Agency work is not all about flexibility
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ton
                                                           Employment security rather                                                                                                                                             Wilthagen
                                   Inspires me                                                                                                                                                                                                             Professor of labour at University Tilburg
                                                           than job security

                                                          But also listen to trade unions
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pro's and con's of Flexicurity: how to
                                                                   We don't find                                                                                                     Masterclass                        realise sunstainable flex work
                       Then we won't have flexibility!             solutions for security?              Sito
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Topic
                                                                    Huge amount of grey
              If there is aonly one contract possible               illegal contracts                                 Opinions                                                                                                  Sander Kamp
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mindmapper              World of Minds
                                                              Doesn't want job security
                                                                                                       Tom
                                                                    Wants work security
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Important
                                                    Wants open ended contracts
                                                                                                 Mariëtte                                                                                                                 Question
                                                                    And job security
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Legend                                   Clockwise
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Read mindmap
                                                 34% of dutch workforece is flex worker                                                                                                                                                        From top to bottom

                                                                         After 2 years 19% of                  Worries union
                  That start with a fixed term contract
                                                                         agency workers                        membership
                          Will have permanent contracts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      New Lisbon treaty
                                  Fixed term workers want permanent employment
                                                              Job security                                                                                                                                                                                 A highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full
                                                                                   Pemanent                     Outsiders on                                                                                       America has a dream,
                                                            Lower wages                                                                                                                                                                                    employment and social progress, and a high level of protection
                                                                                   employment
                                                 Limited training rights                                        labour market                                                                                      Europe has a promise                    and improvement of the quality of the environment
                  Difficulty becomingeconomically independent
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Sticking to the status quo
                                                                      Too many forms of insecure labour contracts                                                                                                                              Not by
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Basing our policies on fear

                                                                                                                                                                                                                How does Europe                                     Managing change
                                           Limitation of different forms of flexible contracts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                get there?                     By actively          Shaping globalisation on the               Values
                                                     More possibilites for permanent contracts                                                                                                                                                                      basis of European
                                                                                                                                       Mariette                                                                                                                                                                Beliefs
                                                                                           Stable wages
                                                                                                                                       Patijn                                                                                                                Welfare
                                                                                         Equal payment                                                                                                                        Represents the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              achilles heel of our           Economy
                                                                                Permanent education                 What do                                                                                                                                  Employment security
                                                                             Responsible employers                  we want
                                                                                                                                                                                                           Larbout            Human                  Right number of people
                                                           Equal attention for profits and people                                                                                                          market             capital is key         Rights skills and qualifications
                                                             Security or                                                                                                                                                                             Available at the right moment
                                  Social cohesion            something else
                                                                                        Example Philips                                                                                                                                                                                           The felxibility of labour markets
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Enhance on one hand                Work organisation
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Integrated policy                                                  Labour relations
                                                                                                       Thesis                                                                                                                  strategy to enhance
                                                                                                                                                   Master class 8: Pro's and con's                                                                                                                Security
             It creates lack of responsibility for employees
                                                                                        Choice of an employer to work                               of Flexicurity: how to realise                                                                             Enhance on the other               Employment security
                           Employees                                                                                                                   sunstainable flex work
                                                 Puts all the risks on                  with a highly external flexible                                                                                                                                                                           Income security
                       Social security
                                                                                        worforce is the easy option
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Flexicurity
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Countries that
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Flexibility       Are the best performers
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               combine high levels
                                                                                 Workers?                                                                                                                                                                      Security
                                                                                                       Sustainable flexibility
                                                                               Employers?
                                                                                                       problem for                                                                                                                                                        Not become irrelevant by the crisis
                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Become a EU flagship policy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Incorporation in EU 2020 strategy
                                                   Market and GPD growth strongly related
                                                                                                                 Cyclical Growth
                                                                       How to bridge the gap?
                                                              Reduce the demand for labour                                                                                           Ton Wilthagen:
                                                                                                               Structural growth
                                                                    Increase the labour supply                                                                                       European
                                                            Helped the Netherlands trough the crisis
                                                                                                                                                                                     Perspective
                                                                                 Will always be asked for
                                                                       HR services industry can help to                Flexibility
                                                                       improve efficiency

                                                                                  In netherlands

                                                         Rose big         Fixed term contracts

                                                                  Rose          0 hour contracts
                                                                                                                                                                                                           Flexicurity
                                                            Rose big
                                                                                                                Flexible labour
                                                                               Pay roll contracts                                                                                                          components
                                                                                                                contracts
                                                          Rose         Agency work contracts                                                                                                                                                                                      Job security can
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Employment security is the                no longer be
                                                   Rose big           Self employed/freelance                                                                                                                                           security of the future                    guaranteed

                                                                         Labour contract                                                                                                                                                                          Rather than jobs
                                                                         Special position        Civil law                                                                                                                                                                       Work
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        People should
                                                    More security by longer relation                                                                                                                                                                                             Education
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        be protected              During
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Private life
                                                                                WAADI
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Retirement
                                               Equal pay unless deviation by CLA
                                                                                               Public law                                                                                                                                                         By providing dynamic security 'as you go'
                                                           Protection agency worker                                                      Sito de
                                              Rules private employment agency                                                            Leeuw                                                                                          People need flexibility to be
                                                                                                                                                                                                           Flexicurity                                                             Work
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        able to combine
                                                     Flexibility and security                                                                                                                              key implications                                                        Private life
                                                                                                                      Regulation
                                                     A                                                                                                                                                                                  Business need security of having             Qualified
                                                     B                                                                                                                                                                                  a workforce that is:
                                                                                        Collective labour                                                                                                                                                                            Productive
                                                     C
                                                                 Phase system           agreement                                                                                                                                       Employers should
                                          Education
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        accept a
                                           Training                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Workers should be well equipped
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        form of chain
                                            Pension                                                                                                                                                                                     responsibility              To make the next step in
                                      Pay and other employee benefits                                                                                                                                                                                               the labour market

                 25% fixed term or open end contract                                                                                                                                                                                    Is about fighting segmentation
                               Randstad index phase B/C                                                                                                                                                                              "There is no alternative to flexicurity"
     From 100 to 200           1999-2009
                                                                         CLA                                                                                                                              Thesis in short
                                Pension sickness payment
                                                                                         Agency work in the Netherlands
              15% in short and long term training                   Training             is most sustainable
             Labour market target groups
                                                           Stepping stone
          Trainsition from unemployment


                             Job vs work security                No need for changing phase system

                                                                           Social security can better
                 Unemployment benefits and long term                       support flexible labour
                 sickness arrangements                                     relations

                                       Make it more individual                 Training/education can               Conclusions
                                           Mutual responsibilty                be improved
                                              Open sector funds
                                             Special attention for 5% permanent flexworkers
                                                                  New challenge for social partners




2011-05-19 Ciett2011 World Employment Conference | LiveMindMapping by World of Minds, more info see: www.connectionofminds.com/ontmoet

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  • 1. Can they become union members? For Mariëtte Yes they can Sito 800.000 self employed They didn't have to pay Self employed because they because no social security had more money General question You only get paid when you work No work, no pay What's a 0-hour Only sometimes Penalties when you don't work? contract? Depends on the job Not about realizing the thesis You shouldn't put Put it partially back to the employers the risk there Employera For Mariëtte Employer has to take more Discussion/ responsibility What steps necessary Sieto de Leeuw Managing Director Social & Public affairs questions Randstad Holding Pay for it Want more flexibility? to make your thesis reality? Think the flexibility will result in Mariëtte Official at FNV Bondgenoten; largest Trade endless open contracts? Patijn Union in the Netherlands Much flexibility will return in the box Tom Speaker Agency work is not all about flexibility Ton Employment security rather Wilthagen Inspires me Professor of labour at University Tilburg than job security But also listen to trade unions Pro's and con's of Flexicurity: how to We don't find Masterclass realise sunstainable flex work Then we won't have flexibility! solutions for security? Sito Topic Huge amount of grey If there is aonly one contract possible illegal contracts Opinions Sander Kamp Mindmapper World of Minds Doesn't want job security Tom Wants work security Important Wants open ended contracts Mariëtte Question And job security Legend Clockwise Read mindmap 34% of dutch workforece is flex worker From top to bottom After 2 years 19% of Worries union That start with a fixed term contract agency workers membership Will have permanent contracts New Lisbon treaty Fixed term workers want permanent employment Job security A highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full Pemanent Outsiders on America has a dream, Lower wages employment and social progress, and a high level of protection employment Limited training rights labour market Europe has a promise and improvement of the quality of the environment Difficulty becomingeconomically independent Sticking to the status quo Too many forms of insecure labour contracts Not by Basing our policies on fear How does Europe Managing change Limitation of different forms of flexible contracts get there? By actively Shaping globalisation on the Values More possibilites for permanent contracts basis of European Mariette Beliefs Stable wages Patijn Welfare Equal payment Represents the achilles heel of our Economy Permanent education What do Employment security Responsible employers we want Larbout Human Right number of people Equal attention for profits and people market capital is key Rights skills and qualifications Security or Available at the right moment Social cohesion something else Example Philips The felxibility of labour markets Enhance on one hand Work organisation Integrated policy Labour relations Thesis strategy to enhance Master class 8: Pro's and con's Security It creates lack of responsibility for employees Choice of an employer to work of Flexicurity: how to realise Enhance on the other Employment security Employees sunstainable flex work Puts all the risks on with a highly external flexible Income security Social security worforce is the easy option Flexicurity Countries that Flexibility Are the best performers combine high levels Workers? Security Sustainable flexibility Employers? problem for Not become irrelevant by the crisis Become a EU flagship policy Incorporation in EU 2020 strategy Market and GPD growth strongly related Cyclical Growth How to bridge the gap? Reduce the demand for labour Ton Wilthagen: Structural growth Increase the labour supply European Helped the Netherlands trough the crisis Perspective Will always be asked for HR services industry can help to Flexibility improve efficiency In netherlands Rose big Fixed term contracts Rose 0 hour contracts Flexicurity Rose big Flexible labour Pay roll contracts components contracts Rose Agency work contracts Job security can Employment security is the no longer be Rose big Self employed/freelance security of the future guaranteed Labour contract Rather than jobs Special position Civil law Work People should More security by longer relation Education be protected During Private life WAADI Retirement Equal pay unless deviation by CLA Public law By providing dynamic security 'as you go' Protection agency worker Sito de Rules private employment agency Leeuw People need flexibility to be Flexicurity Work able to combine Flexibility and security key implications Private life Regulation A Business need security of having Qualified B a workforce that is: Collective labour Productive C Phase system agreement Employers should Education accept a Training Workers should be well equipped form of chain Pension responsibility To make the next step in Pay and other employee benefits the labour market 25% fixed term or open end contract Is about fighting segmentation Randstad index phase B/C "There is no alternative to flexicurity" From 100 to 200 1999-2009 CLA Thesis in short Pension sickness payment Agency work in the Netherlands 15% in short and long term training Training is most sustainable Labour market target groups Stepping stone Trainsition from unemployment Job vs work security No need for changing phase system Social security can better Unemployment benefits and long term support flexible labour sickness arrangements relations Make it more individual Training/education can Conclusions Mutual responsibilty be improved Open sector funds Special attention for 5% permanent flexworkers New challenge for social partners 2011-05-19 Ciett2011 World Employment Conference | LiveMindMapping by World of Minds, more info see: www.connectionofminds.com/ontmoet